[00:00:00] Jordan Smith Reynolds: What's up everyone. Welcome to the song saloon. today's guest is Lottie. I met Lottie when she was going by the artist named Vealy at an ASCAP experience in 2019 at around the start of my professional songwriting career. So it's been about five years. It was really great to catch up with her and I hope you love the project and I hope you're having a great summer.

Enjoy the episode.

[00:00:22] Lotti: Hey, I'm Lottie and this is my song Butterflies.

[00:00:40] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Hey, Lottie, welcome to the song saloon.

[00:00:43] Lotti: Yay, Jordan, I've made it.

[00:00:46] Jordan Smith Reynolds: You made it. I know we've talked about it for a bit, so, so glad to have you on the show.

[00:00:52] Lotti: Right, finally. Thank you for having me.

[00:00:55] Jordan Smith Reynolds: of course. 

and we met just so the audience has some background. We met at this ASCAP experience, way back. I

[00:01:04] Lotti: Pre pandemic. It feels like 20 years ago.

[00:01:08] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yep. Pre my LA move actually. I was planning at that point to move to LA, but I hadn't quite done it yet. I was in Boston still at the time.

[00:01:17] Lotti: Crazy.

[00:01:18] Jordan Smith Reynolds: yeah.

So, yeah, lots of things have happened since then. 

I know, you've been working with the, the Lottie Artist Project for how long now?

[00:01:28] Lotti: So I've been like, uh, releasing music as Vealy for when, when we met. But the Lottie project started in October of 22. So like closer to a year soon.

[00:01:45] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah.

[00:01:46] Lotti: Yeah.

[00:01:47] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Coming on two years. That's awesome. 

And today's song you've brought on is called butterflies. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

[00:01:55] Lotti: Butterflies is like my little peace offering to the world. I think, um, I think music is just my way to kind of soothe myself. And it just so happens that Butterflies is the song that came out, um, during this time.

[00:02:11] Jordan Smith Reynolds: That's awesome. And this is coming off of was it? Let me get this straight. That was the song before this one. Or was there another one that I missed?

[00:02:19] Lotti: there was a feature. Will you?

[00:02:22] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Oh, cool.

[00:02:23] Lotti: with homie, but yeah, this is just like a single

[00:02:28] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah.

[00:02:29] Lotti: Um,

[00:02:31] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Very nice. And so this song butterflies, he said it came out and it's a peace offering. 

I felt I definitely hear that in the, in the lyrics. what is your writing process like for that? How did, how did the song come out?

[00:02:42] Lotti: I was hanging out with my two producer friends john and jackson and we were at john's house and they just have this Like peaceful environment. Um, and he was just like playing some beats that he has made and it's crazy because Before he even told me I was just like in love this with his beats and You The chorus came in and I just sang like butterflies in my garden and like that was it and I was like, oh Yeah, exactly this.

And then I found out that the bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, is a sample. Like, cause he loves like digging on like YouTube and like finding these samples. It's a Filipino jazz artist named Bong Panera. He's like much older now, but that's, that's the beginnings of the song.

[00:03:33] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Hmm.

[00:03:34] Lotti: Yeah.

[00:03:35] Jordan Smith Reynolds: cool.

[00:03:36] Lotti: Pretty cool.

[00:03:37] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah, I love that, um, that history in it too. That's so cool. 

Um, would you mind performing it? I know we're doing something a little different for this episode where you'll, you're planning on singing a cappella, which I think is sweet. Um, yeah. Are you ready?

[00:03:53] Lotti: I can try.

[00:03:55] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Awesome.

[00:03:57] Lotti: That's it.

[00:05:30] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yes. Thank you so much. That was awesome.

[00:05:35] Lotti: Thank you.

[00:05:36] Jordan Smith Reynolds: yeah, let's talk. 

There's so many things I want to break down in this song. Um,

[00:05:40] Lotti: Peace! Mm hmm.

[00:05:42] Jordan Smith Reynolds: love the Like the structure isn't very standard. It feels like either. Um, yeah, maybe that had to do with writing exactly to the beat or tell me about that process and kind of coming up with the structure where it's not, you know, verse chorus verse chorus verse chorus like you might see typically.

Oh,

[00:06:04] Lotti: as just like, uh, like breathing. Um, and I honor what comes out when I hear the music. And I just kind of follow that instead of, and some songs are also like, you know, like structured songs, but this one was just like, so easy. It was just like, Oh my God, this is the chorus. And like, it took the, I had another verse in there, but it never felt right.

So. This was started like spring of last year and yeah, there was another verse and I was like, No, and I kept trying and nothing like like felt good. And finally like I feel like this past winter, like starting like maybe October all the way to, I feel like I'm just like coming out of this, like, like this, like depression or like, just like struggling point and just like, like, listen, like, I forgot that this song existed, you know, like that this was part of the demos that I've many of the demos that have just been like, I've been sitting on and I remembered it.

And then, yeah, like I think it just, I just needed some time to like, live and like process and again, like the verse again was just like, okay, it's raining a lot in LA. And yeah, it's just that. And then And then the song came about.

[00:07:30] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah,

[00:07:32] Lotti: It's a gift.

[00:07:33] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yes, yeah for sure. Do you do you remember what the verse was about the one that didn't quite fit?

[00:07:41] Lotti: Um, it was something similar. It was like, close your eyes. But I didn't like, relate to it. Like it was too like, I don't care. Sometimes when I'm like, write a verse it's like, I don't care. It's not gonna get released

[00:07:58] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Right.

[00:07:59] Lotti: until I feel better about it.

[00:08:01] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah, if it's not helping to tell the story or get you in the emotion then yeah, that's that makes sense

[00:08:08] Lotti: Right? Yes, some songs is like how I feel about the song. Yeah.

[00:08:16] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah, and the song because it's about butterflies. I feel like has such that That easy feeling, you know, about it. And so it would be really hard to kind of, uh, shoehorn, get something to fit where

[00:08:30] Lotti: too hard.

[00:08:31] Jordan Smith Reynolds: to. Yeah.

[00:08:32] Lotti: Yeah, yeah, truly, truly. Thank God that this was this was light and spring and you know, just floating and it's short too. So it's like, just a moment

[00:08:48] Jordan Smith Reynolds: That's right. Yeah. The full song comes in just under two minutes, if I remember right.

[00:08:53] Lotti: Mm hmm.

[00:08:54] Jordan Smith Reynolds: It's pretty cool. Um, and yeah, I like how it's the beginning of the song that really addresses, you know, you've been going through some stuff. It's like, not everything is, is butterflies, but like, this is kind of where you find that your

[00:09:06] Lotti: the piece.

[00:09:07] Jordan Smith Reynolds: or something, yeah,

[00:09:09] Lotti: Mm hmm.

[00:09:09] Jordan Smith Reynolds: that peace.

Um, do you listen to, uh, Hiatus Coyote at all?

[00:09:15] Lotti: Um, some of their songs. Absolutely.

[00:09:18] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah. I got some Hiatus Coyote vibes with this one. Um, have you heard the, what's the Red Room song that they do?

[00:09:26] Lotti: Yes. So good. So good. And

[00:09:30] Jordan Smith Reynolds: of a similar vibe, like the song's about the same thing a

[00:09:34] Lotti: thank you. Thank you. I don't think I even realized that, but like when I listen to their music, it's just like, so cool. And like, so soul, like so experimental, but like I, for a long time, I've just been like, okay, yeah, I think I know that group. And then just like Red Room. But when I listened to it, it's like, I have like visuals in my mind.

It's like the music that like translates right away. It's like, well, this is obvious. What I see.

[00:10:03] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah, uh huh. Right, because that song is all about her childhood bedroom, right, where she's kind of in this like creative kind of uh, meditative state or something.

[00:10:16] Lotti: Mm hmm.

[00:10:17] Jordan Smith Reynolds: yeah, so I definitely see some ties.

[00:10:20] Lotti: Very cool. And isn't that like, like they made it like before the pandemic and like during the pandemic, it was like, Whoa, like we didn't know what was happening to the world or what was going to happen.

[00:10:32] Jordan Smith Reynolds: That's

[00:10:32] Lotti: We were all in our rooms.

[00:10:35] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah That's right. I'd forgotten about that That made it like really powerful for people listening in on

[00:10:42] Lotti: Mm hmm. Yeah.

[00:10:43] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah, I love how noisy that song is the way they do the production in it. Just that Kind of thing that's going on the whole time

[00:10:52] Lotti: Yeah. So, yeah. So many textures with, with that group.

[00:10:57] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah Yeah, tell me a little bit about the production process then you said so this started off on a beat With your producer friends. This it's a producing pair. Do they usually work together or?

[00:11:11] Lotti: Um, sometimes, yeah. Um, I just feel very lucky and, you know, just like blessed, like finding great people, um, and very collaborative. It's just like. Life and music are kind of like becoming one. It's like, you're just hanging out with your friends and they also make music and you also sing and you know, like later on, like, and like expanding, just like my other friend Serena is like good at like capturing videos and things.

And it's just like, okay, let's like, hang out, let's make art together. and try our best or just like, you know, play around and not take things too seriously, but it wasn't too hard of a process. Um, we made that beat. It was like a demo that we knew like, Oh my God, we had to make this song for a long time.

And then the second time around I was at Jackson's studio, and we kind of just like fleshed it out a little bit more. And maybe after that it was like, okay, we should try to release the song. So it was like mixed, and mastered and then soon was ready to be out.

[00:12:24] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Did they also mix and master the track?

[00:12:27] Lotti: Um, Jackson makes the track and mastering is by Jay. yeah. It was a great and lovely process because everyone is just like, you know, I trust them and big hearts and, you know, it's like about trust and like respecting, each other and understanding that this is not about you. This is more about the art that you're making.

And this is about to be for the listener to that receives it.

[00:13:02] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah, yeah, that's a, that's the good way to get rid of the ego piece of it, right? Just, it's about the artwork and really making that the focus. 

so how has that, um, collaboration, has that shifted for you at all throughout your musical career, career? Just the more you've relied on collaboration, has that always kind of been an integral part of what you do?

Uh,

[00:13:27] Lotti: like working by myself, but that was the time that I was like honing in on my like songwriting and like being comfortable, like being honest with myself and things like that. And for a while I was like, not ready to open up like with many other people. And, and I still think that, but I think, something in me has changed.

Like two years ago was what I was when I felt like I like finally listened to my voice and and even though that I think the breaking point was a breakup, like a heartbreak. And I was like taken out of like what I used to know about myself is true. And what I believed was true.

And when I was not in that environment anymore, I think that there was a, a, a remembering, but also be like a refinding, like a, and a rewriting of who I am and, yeah. And so I've been like, yeah, just been blessed from that and like, have been more open and just like listening to myself, but also like, like, what's good, you know, just like, okay, well, how do I feel?

And what is the world feeling like? And somehow that translates to even like, yeah, like personal. Life details.

[00:14:50] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah. 

And so what I'm hearing is this kind of occurred around the same time that Lottie took shape. Yeah. The, the new artist project. Cool. That's great. And so it sounds like it was such a seismic shift. Do you have, you felt like you had to kind of rework the artist project, like from the ground up?

[00:15:08] Lotti: it wasn't even so, okay. So breakup happened and just like, like, like not, it was like my major heartbreak and this new thing about like being gentle with myself and like being tender and like, Kind of just like taking care of like myself because the other partner that I've relied on is not there anymore and just like that translated to me like finding out or not finding out or just like having better relationships with like my friends, like with my girlfriends, with my sisters and so it's kind of like that but also With pain, with a breaking point, I think that you're just like more sensitive to, the signs of the universe.

to the point that my friend was like texting me, like asking, how are you doing? And how is your heart doing? And around this time, I was still Vealy casualty casualty was made and not bad after all. I wrote them already, but you know, I'm kind of just like, I'm just going to going through a breakup. And, but for a long time, I've always wanted to change my artist's name.

Cause I think like going, With my first name was just like, I didn't feel right about it. And it made me feel like, I don't know. And also just like relationships with my given name. Like I came from the Philippines and it was like pronounced differently come to America. It's pronounced differently.

And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know.

[00:16:51] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah.

[00:16:53] Lotti: But that day, my answer to that text of how is your heart doing? I wanted to say, I'm giving myself lots of grace. But, my typing self, because my auto type is off, because I speak another language and auto type can be very annoying with that.

[00:17:11] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Uh,

[00:17:11] Lotti: I kept texting Lottie Gray, L O T T I G R A E, like Grace without the, and I was like, many times, and I was like, Lottie Gray.

That's kind of okay. Is that an artist? Thank God. And you know, I was like, I paused and I was like, huh, and I can totally imagine the sound and like the look of this Lottie Gray. And I'm like, Oh yeah. And that kind of like started, it took many more months of just like Lottie Gray, Lottie Gray. Um, and just like slowly, like, okay, like what do I do about like, My old stuff.

And I ended up kind of like leaving that there. I changed my Instagram. I like Started asking friends about their like feelings about like, what do you think if I change my artist name, um, to this? And eventually, my one friend, Connie, she was like, you know, even Lottie is just cute, just short, Lottie. Um, and I was like, I like that a lot.

Um, and eventually when I found the courage to like look up what that means, It means free woman, free man, freedom.

[00:18:28] Jordan Smith Reynolds: What? Wow, that's wild.

[00:18:34] Lotti: It's insanity. And I'm just like, okay, we're going to write and we're going to make music and we're going to make art. You know, this is for the freedom of my soul, the freedom of being, you know, woman. And, and I think that my perspective. about many things kind of shifted with that.

[00:18:54] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Wow, that's such a cool experience. Um, Lottie, what, what language, uh, root is that in? Uh,

[00:19:02] Lotti: wish I could say something that was, um, similar to me or to my background, but it's German.

[00:19:10] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Okay,

[00:19:12] Lotti: the free.

[00:19:14] Jordan Smith Reynolds: interesting. Okay. Yeah, I love, uh, language based stuff like that. I just had, a baby a month ago, and, well, we named her Sophie, which comes from Greek Sophia for wisdom, uh, but that's like the French way of, you know, Pronouncing it. Um, so anyways, I just, I love kind of diving into where names come from.

That's really

[00:19:38] Lotti: names are powerful. Names are powerful.

[00:19:41] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah, that's right. Wow. Well, I love you found such a fitting name for your project and, uh, a direction for your art that way. That's, that's super exciting.

[00:19:52] Lotti: Yeah. Thank God. Cause I was just like, okay, I can like sing and write and like reform, but my heart wasn't in it. I like didn't want to do it for myself. Now I have like a, it's bigger than me. It's not just for me. It's not even about me. I'm just a little worker bee and you know, like collaborative and collaborative with, you know, many, many other people and friends.

And I feel like it's like co conspirators more than anything.

[00:20:28] Jordan Smith Reynolds: so great. Um, and what's. What's coming up next for you? 

What's, what's next for the project?

[00:20:34] Lotti: It's like April and it's renewal and you're coming out of the out of the winter and you're like Remembering and again, you're also wanting to define who do I want to become? And so I'm I have these like questions in my mind now about like, okay, what's what's next?

And I think it's not final answer. And I think it's just like Going to be single by single and eventually a little EP at the end, but you know, like no rush. I have no date yet, but I think that I'm kind of like writing a little story in every single. It's very indie. It's very like, small scale, make sure that, you know, the visual is done and that you feel good about it.

And, and also just like trying to not die as a person here trying to survive in LA. So like, yeah, balancing my life and going to work. Also like making sure that I am always, I'm doing something for the Lottie thing and even going to work is doing something for the Lottie thing because we know we know how this works.

Um,

[00:21:57] Jordan Smith Reynolds: That's right. 

And what is it that you do for work?

[00:22:00] Lotti: Nursing.

[00:22:01] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Nursing. Very cool. Yeah. And obviously very connected. Yeah.

[00:22:07] Lotti: Yeah. You know, yes. And I think that the more that I accept that, I am a nurse and because there was a lot of like kind of like I hate that I have another job before like before it's a lot of like why why not why can I do this full time I think now I'm kind of just like accepting like this is a great blessing and um apparently healing and like being in the wellness and kind of like spiritual mindset is part of my life.

[00:22:43] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah,

[00:22:44] Lotti: very apparent and it doesn't just stop in the music. It can, you can just be a person. and your essence is welcoming and calm and all that. I'm, I'm shifting.

[00:22:56] Jordan Smith Reynolds: yes, that's wonderful to hear. I do, I do think there is a lot of tension people feel with, uh, careers or like correlating careers with music and trying to make that, that work piece and the music piece work together. Um, so I'm glad that you're feeling comfortable with where you're at with that, because I think. Yeah. A lot of people feel tension. I know I have, especially in just kind of balancing, you know, providing for family and trying to make sure there's enough, uh, just income coming in while doing music, um,

[00:23:29] Lotti: and you have a family. It's scary.

[00:23:33] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah. but I know there's like, when I look back at, you know, composers through history and things like that, like, you know, maybe a hundred plus years from, from today, it's very common that like.

pretty well established composers were also doing other work besides their compositions, you know? So, I don't know. It's, I, I like that you found something that doesn't compete with your spirit, you know? I think that's where the issue is, is when people are finding work that's draining them and leaves them unable to creatively perform, but if you're able to find something that is complementary, I think that could be a really wonderful thing.

Mm

[00:24:16] Lotti: Yeah. And I think like, it was, it was interesting. Cause like, flashback to like a little before the pandemic, I was doing the same job, like even at the same place and the same people and like still doing music. But there was that block in my mind. I like, you know, I felt like, ah, I could be doing something better, but yeah, like just like changing and growing up and like the world is changing.

Now I'm kind of just like, okay, I can be myself in this work environment and kind of like treat it like like learning, like connecting and connection with other human beings.

[00:24:51] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah.

[00:24:53] Lotti: So far, it's okay. It's okay. It's good. It can probably change just like that, but for now, it's okay.

[00:25:01] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yep, that's life, right?

[00:25:03] Lotti: That's the nature of it.

[00:25:05] Jordan Smith Reynolds: yeah, it kind of is just a continual checking in and readjustment. That's, that's kind of life.

[00:25:11] Lotti: Yes, exactly. It's funny.

[00:25:14] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yes, I also want to talk about your, vocals and songwriting just kind of diving back further into your life in your musical background. has songwriting always been part of the picture or was it like, um, you were really into singing and then that kind of trans moved into songwriting?

For me it was, um, I started off singing, got a guitar, and then stuff started coming out. Um, so that was kind of the progression for me. I'd love to hear what that progression was like for you as an artist.

[00:25:43] Lotti: I love that. So singing had always been there. Always. memory, my mom was like, Oh my God, you were singing this like TV show chabalita. And, you know, and then being in the Philippines, like a big part of like growing up there once they find everyone can sing first of all, but once they find out that you can sing and you can like be brave and be on stage, you get asked many times because there's a lot of like, like, um, months to celebrate things.

And when you celebrate, yeah, singing and like performing and whatever. So I was kind of like, That gal, um, growing up there, singing was there, but I sang like, you know, like Celine Dion and like those big songs. And then a little bit more, I think I learned how to play the piano because I was, I was raised and was born and raised in a Mormon church.

I think we have this in common

[00:26:40] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Oh, is that right? I didn't know that.

[00:26:42] Lotti: Yes. Yes. We don't, we haven't talked about this. Um, 

[00:26:50] Jordan Smith Reynolds: There's a lot of, it's a pretty prevalent church there in the Philippines. It's not like I've heard. It's kind of grown quite a bit.

[00:26:57] Lotti: yeah.

[00:26:58] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah. Anyways, please

[00:26:59] Lotti: my, yeah, like my mom and dad were converted to the church when they were very young. Um, I don't quite go to church anymore, but it really taught me. So I was like 12 and you love like choir and like the piano is always the instrument. And I always thought that it was so cool for the ward pianist to just like play for us, the congregation.

And I wanted to do that. And yeah, eventually I asked, like my mom asked the ward pianist to teach me and like another, like older lady to teach me it was on and off, but that's when I learned like playing and singing at the same time and then like playing with other people. And, but the most important, and I'm just realizing this recently, I think that I found that soul is in.

Even like in Mormon, like hymn books, you know, like soul and spirit and music is together. God is in music and gatherings of people. so that was my main takeaway from that. And then I moved to the States when I was like 16. and I kind of like forgot. About like the whole music thing, because I guess it was just a lot.

So I was in nursing school at a community college, and this is going to sound very like high school musical, but I was just like walking by the theater and there was like an open audition thing

[00:28:28] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Oh,

[00:28:28] Lotti: friend,

[00:28:29] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yes. Love it.

[00:28:33] Lotti: my friend was like, you should do it, you should do it. And I was like, I don't know what I'm going to sing. I haven't sang in so long. And I just went in and it was like for a musical theater called, um, bloody, bloody Andrew Jackson. I didn't know if you know this, but, but I sang hit me with your best shot.

and I got the, and I got the leading part and it was just like, Oh my God, I remember this. I remember that this gave me so much joy, just like singing and like being on stage and just like, The musical theater part was kind of like a new thing for me. Like I hadn't done that, but it was fun to like learn choreography and like hang out with like the ensemble.

And yeah, again, there was community in there. And then eventually I learned to produce on my own. It came a little bit like when I was already finished with nursing school and like, in my was like, okay, I don't feel happy if I, I'm not going to feel happy. This is where I'm going to be in 20 years. And just like being honest and like, okay, what, what things do I have to know and find out about and learn so that I can go for what I want to be doing in my life and yeah, learn to produce.

And then eventually like became brave enough to start writing my own songs.

[00:29:59] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Very cool. So it started really with that. Um, it went kind of went from that musical theater place to songwriting just because you knew you needed it in your life more. Yeah.

[00:30:11] Lotti: Exactly. That's what it is.

[00:30:12] Jordan Smith Reynolds: so just so I have the timeline, we, we met in like 2019 ish. Where was this, where is the gap from musical theater to ASCAP?

You're performing at the, the open mic thing that I was at.

[00:30:26] Lotti: So I did a lot of musical theater in Chicago. So I was in Chicago. Yeah. Um, so I did a lot of musical theater in Chicago, but also Chicago was where I started to like, write my own songs and like, try them out and open mics. Um, and like seeing the difference of like musical theater. I am a piece in someone's, bigger picture and I'm like singing someone else's like stories and words and like finding out the power of writing your own story and like just sharing your song and how good that feels and yeah and then eventually I wanted to I was like, okay, I'm okay at musical theater, but I think I'd like to write some more.

And like, so, yeah. And then I moved to LA in 2019. I wasn't, I hadn't done any kind of musical theater here. So yeah, I was kind of new to this like songwriter, singer songwriter journey when, when we first met. Yeah.

[00:31:28] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah, so it's pretty similar actually pretty similar situation there I was actually looking at doing musical theater more in like New York because I was in Boston and um, well coming from a classical background. So it's like classical voice to musical theater, then trying to decide if I wanted to pursue that more songwriting, um, cause I had been writing for a while, but, um, was at a crossroads and, uh, what the songwriting route and ASCAP and all that stuff was, was helpful for that.

Um, but yeah, I have a similar experience. Yeah, where it was like learning to tell your own story, and writing. That piece was really important to me. I love singing someone's story when they're like written so beautifully. Uh, but there is nothing like, yeah, just sharing that unique piece of yourself and songwriting.

So that is really cool.

[00:32:22] Lotti: It heals something in me.

[00:32:25] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Mm hmm.

[00:32:26] Lotti: Like even just like figuring out the song.

[00:32:29] Jordan Smith Reynolds: yeah,

[00:32:29] Lotti: yes, this is the circle.

[00:32:32] Jordan Smith Reynolds: Yeah, the puzzle component of it. Um, I also really loved what you said about how God is in music and community. Um, I feel like there is a real spiritual connection to music. and it sounds like you're, you're finding that really well in your artist project. With kind of finding that connection with other people and with yourself.

So that's super exciting. 

Um, and I've loved kind of just diving into this with you for a short time, and I'm excited to follow your project. again, if you want to see Lottie in performance be following on Spotify and all the places, what, what's your Instagram again?

Tick tock.

[00:33:08] Lotti: @lottie4evr l O T T I, the number four, E V R.

[00:33:15] Jordan Smith Reynolds: E V R. Okay, great. And all those links will be in the show notes. So please do check it out there. Lottie, thank you so much for being on the show. It was a, it's a pleasure having you on today.

[00:33:24] Lotti: Jordan, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate you.

[00:33:28] Jordan Smith Reynolds: I'll see ya. Thank you so much.

[00:33:30] Lotti: ya. Bye.